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	<title>Comments on: On Ambition and the Photographic Lifestyle</title>
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		<title>By: Ian Aleksander Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.ianaleksanderadams.com/blog/on-ambition-and-the-photographic-lifestyle-re-blake-andrews-and-bryan-formhals/comment-page-1/#comment-17861</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Aleksander Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 02:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hope it helps. I understand the frustration when talking about books. I was talking with some publishers up in nyc a while back and had similar problems. They really enjoyed the work, but just weren&#039;t sure how they could pitch it or advertise for it. I agreed. We eventually sort of hit on the idea of a couple more books on other &quot;subjects&quot; and a little box set as more of an art collection than some kind of targeted publication. A very interesting idea that I might definitely be doing in a couple years when I feel I have enough work to make it strong enough (and have figured out a way to make it affordable - I really don&#039;t want any of my books to be expensive collector&#039;s items. I want accessibility for the work).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope it helps. I understand the frustration when talking about books. I was talking with some publishers up in nyc a while back and had similar problems. They really enjoyed the work, but just weren&#8217;t sure how they could pitch it or advertise for it. I agreed. We eventually sort of hit on the idea of a couple more books on other &#8220;subjects&#8221; and a little box set as more of an art collection than some kind of targeted publication. A very interesting idea that I might definitely be doing in a couple years when I feel I have enough work to make it strong enough (and have figured out a way to make it affordable &#8211; I really don&#8217;t want any of my books to be expensive collector&#8217;s items. I want accessibility for the work).</p>
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		<title>By: TC</title>
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		<dc:creator>TC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 02:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s wonderful to have found this conversation. I have recently been thinking a great deal about this very subject as some publishers have been talking to me about a book and just what it would contain. All of the superficial &quot;subject&quot; matter that they discuss seems inappropriate, but the points you mention bring me closer to an answer than anything anyone else has told me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s wonderful to have found this conversation. I have recently been thinking a great deal about this very subject as some publishers have been talking to me about a book and just what it would contain. All of the superficial &#8220;subject&#8221; matter that they discuss seems inappropriate, but the points you mention bring me closer to an answer than anything anyone else has told me.</p>
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		<title>By: Follow up to “The photography-integrated-into-life method” &#124; la pura vida</title>
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		<dc:creator>Follow up to “The photography-integrated-into-life method” &#124; la pura vida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ian Aleksander Adams wrote a thoughtful follow up that was much more nuanced and articulate than what I said, and Matthew Crowther made an insightul comment about the shortcomings of the way I defined &#8216;fine art&#8217; world. I hope that ambition and the photographic lifestyle are not mutually exclusive, I do have fine art ambitions but I am not willing to compromise on my work. I think the key might be to realize that “The Art World” is not a monolithic thing, and there are ways to find a space in the world of fine art that fits what you want to do. It just might be more difficult if you aren’t into doing whatever is in fashion at a particular time. I have been meeting more and more young artists that are sick of the emphasis on ideas over feelings, theory over production, academics over experience that so pervades the art school and critical cultures, and that gives me hope. (italics, bold mine) &#8211; Matthew Crowther [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ian Aleksander Adams wrote a thoughtful follow up that was much more nuanced and articulate than what I said, and Matthew Crowther made an insightul comment about the shortcomings of the way I defined &#8216;fine art&#8217; world. I hope that ambition and the photographic lifestyle are not mutually exclusive, I do have fine art ambitions but I am not willing to compromise on my work. I think the key might be to realize that “The Art World” is not a monolithic thing, and there are ways to find a space in the world of fine art that fits what you want to do. It just might be more difficult if you aren’t into doing whatever is in fashion at a particular time. I have been meeting more and more young artists that are sick of the emphasis on ideas over feelings, theory over production, academics over experience that so pervades the art school and critical cultures, and that gives me hope. (italics, bold mine) &#8211; Matthew Crowther [...]</p>
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		<dc:creator>Ariandrane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ian Aleksander Adams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Aleksander Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 14:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is hard. Honestly I don&#039;t know if I could ever tell anyone that photography is a good career path.

Well, it&#039;s hard and it&#039;s not hard. We&#039;re lucky enough that we live in a world that it&#039;s relatively easy to eat - in america anyway I can find a job and earn money and feed myself. I don&#039;t need to hunt, I don&#039;t need to fight others over scraps. So it&#039;s not that hard, really. And I try to appreciate how amazing and plentiful life is...

but to be creatively satisfied? To be living my fullest, yes that is hard.. I&#039;m probably going to find it through teaching, in the long run, and not just my visual work. There may have to be a balance for most people. 

The commercial world always felt more like fighting over scraps to me, so I&#039;m just not heading in that direction anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is hard. Honestly I don&#8217;t know if I could ever tell anyone that photography is a good career path.</p>
<p>Well, it&#8217;s hard and it&#8217;s not hard. We&#8217;re lucky enough that we live in a world that it&#8217;s relatively easy to eat &#8211; in america anyway I can find a job and earn money and feed myself. I don&#8217;t need to hunt, I don&#8217;t need to fight others over scraps. So it&#8217;s not that hard, really. And I try to appreciate how amazing and plentiful life is&#8230;</p>
<p>but to be creatively satisfied? To be living my fullest, yes that is hard.. I&#8217;m probably going to find it through teaching, in the long run, and not just my visual work. There may have to be a balance for most people. </p>
<p>The commercial world always felt more like fighting over scraps to me, so I&#8217;m just not heading in that direction anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Meredith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meredith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is something ive always struggled with. I used to refer to myself as a photographer before i went to college, because i took so many dang pictures. i took pictures of everything and everyone in my life, and every insignificant happening, though significant to me, and everything that looked interesting. I went to art school and didnt major in photography, but now work as one. shooting specific things for work of course. but it totally ignores emotions and art. it&#039;s just what&#039;s necessary because i work at an ad agency. though i&#039;ve learned a lot of about technique in this way, it might have improved some things, which i am thankful for.

but also, since working more and more in photography, my desire to go purely photography has been brought to the surface. because i am going through the process on a daily basis thinking &quot;what can i start to take pictures of to get noticed? what can i collect photos of to try to get them published?&quot; but i realize the photos i love are the ones i take of friends and family, and just daily life things that happen or i see. and i don&#039;t know how to clump them together to make something that someone else would see as worthwhile. and i start to think that maybe photography is just a hobby, an emotional thing that i am attached to, but can never really make a living of it? at least not happily.

it&#039;s hard, and i&#039;d like to know how i can use it to my advantage. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is something ive always struggled with. I used to refer to myself as a photographer before i went to college, because i took so many dang pictures. i took pictures of everything and everyone in my life, and every insignificant happening, though significant to me, and everything that looked interesting. I went to art school and didnt major in photography, but now work as one. shooting specific things for work of course. but it totally ignores emotions and art. it&#8217;s just what&#8217;s necessary because i work at an ad agency. though i&#8217;ve learned a lot of about technique in this way, it might have improved some things, which i am thankful for.</p>
<p>but also, since working more and more in photography, my desire to go purely photography has been brought to the surface. because i am going through the process on a daily basis thinking &#8220;what can i start to take pictures of to get noticed? what can i collect photos of to try to get them published?&#8221; but i realize the photos i love are the ones i take of friends and family, and just daily life things that happen or i see. and i don&#8217;t know how to clump them together to make something that someone else would see as worthwhile. and i start to think that maybe photography is just a hobby, an emotional thing that i am attached to, but can never really make a living of it? at least not happily.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s hard, and i&#8217;d like to know how i can use it to my advantage. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Aleksander Adams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Aleksander Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 04:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess the discussion hinges a bet on the definition of &quot;project.&quot; If given a broad meaning, everything is project based, yeah. I&#039;m using it in a more direct manner, I think, referring to the working method associated with commercial assignments, homework assignments, etc. 

I think it&#039;s obvious that any photographer worth his salt has some kind of idea flow going through his head while before, after, and during shooting, but it&#039;s certainly different when working in one mode than an other. Basically, there&#039;s a distinction between thinking &quot;I&#039;m working to get a shot that means this&quot; or &quot;I&#039;m getting this shot that is doing something for me, what does it mean?&quot;

I&#039;ll elaborate on this further, and on why I think doing ideational projects (verses gut curatorial) is &lt;i&gt;important&lt;/i&gt; in another post soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the discussion hinges a bet on the definition of &#8220;project.&#8221; If given a broad meaning, everything is project based, yeah. I&#8217;m using it in a more direct manner, I think, referring to the working method associated with commercial assignments, homework assignments, etc. </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s obvious that any photographer worth his salt has some kind of idea flow going through his head while before, after, and during shooting, but it&#8217;s certainly different when working in one mode than an other. Basically, there&#8217;s a distinction between thinking &#8220;I&#8217;m working to get a shot that means this&#8221; or &#8220;I&#8217;m getting this shot that is doing something for me, what does it mean?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll elaborate on this further, and on why I think doing ideational projects (verses gut curatorial) is <i>important</i> in another post soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Conceptual projects: photographic trend or stifling academic conspiracy? Discuss. &#124; Camden Hardy Photography: the blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conceptual projects: photographic trend or stifling academic conspiracy? Discuss. &#124; Camden Hardy Photography: the blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been a discussion taking place between Ian Aleksander Adams, J.M. Colberg, and Bryan Formhals about the &#8220;photography-integrated-into-life method&#8221; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Camden Hardy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Camden Hardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s been interesting reading the discussion between the various blogs involved. It&#039;s too bad it can&#039;t all be in the same place. In response to the debate at hand, I&#039;d like to throw a few thoughts into the ring, albeit a few days late.

I would argue that all photographic work, even that of the &quot;non-project-based&quot; variety is, in fact, project-based. What seems to separate this style of photography is the timeline and what some might call an ambiguity of intent (this can be resolved in the editing process). Whether you&#039;re intuitively responding to life or creating a witty satire, you&#039;re still working on a preconceived idea, whether you want to or not.

Many who take on the &quot;photography-as-lifestyle&quot; approach feel discriminated against, but to me the reason is obvious. As it was mentioned both here and on Conscientious, it&#039;s often used as an excuse for poor editing. Problems arise when the photographer is unable to effectively edit the body and explain the motivations behind the work. I tend to agree with J.M. Colberg on this one in that this methodology isn&#039;t all that problematic within the context of the aforementioned commercial ambition (Mikael Kennedy is a contemporary example). If it&#039;s good, people will consume it. If not, it will be ignored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been interesting reading the discussion between the various blogs involved. It&#8217;s too bad it can&#8217;t all be in the same place. In response to the debate at hand, I&#8217;d like to throw a few thoughts into the ring, albeit a few days late.</p>
<p>I would argue that all photographic work, even that of the &#8220;non-project-based&#8221; variety is, in fact, project-based. What seems to separate this style of photography is the timeline and what some might call an ambiguity of intent (this can be resolved in the editing process). Whether you&#8217;re intuitively responding to life or creating a witty satire, you&#8217;re still working on a preconceived idea, whether you want to or not.</p>
<p>Many who take on the &#8220;photography-as-lifestyle&#8221; approach feel discriminated against, but to me the reason is obvious. As it was mentioned both here and on Conscientious, it&#8217;s often used as an excuse for poor editing. Problems arise when the photographer is unable to effectively edit the body and explain the motivations behind the work. I tend to agree with J.M. Colberg on this one in that this methodology isn&#8217;t all that problematic within the context of the aforementioned commercial ambition (Mikael Kennedy is a contemporary example). If it&#8217;s good, people will consume it. If not, it will be ignored.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 03:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] excerpts come from an interesting article at IAA Blog, On Ambition and the Photographic Lifestyle, regarding the nature of photographic projects vs. the idea of photography as a &#8220;way of [...]</description>
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